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Clock House CPZ Scheme Beckenham Starts 5th October - News & Questions!
The ongoing CPZ (Controlled Parking Zone) saga continues this week with some roads and not all, as of this moment I'm reliably informed, receiving the Final CPZ notice and Application Form for a Residential Parking permit and Application Form for Visitors Vouchers. The start date is to be the 5th October for all three zones.
First let's get the bugs out of the way - the councillors will be reading this, so hopefully they can take appropriate action and report back quickly with binding answers.
On the Implementation Form/Map it says that if the residents would like to read the report of the important Residents Meeting of the 14th July 2009 it is on their website at http://www.bromley.gov.uk/transportprojects - this link currently just points to an error page and therefore needs fixing.
The second bug/error that needs a clear answer is that the Implementation form says ‘ Pay and Display parking bays will operate between 10.00am and 12.00 Noon, Monday to Friday. If necessary these bays can also be used by residents/visitors displaying a valid permit.’ However, the accompanying Bromley Council official application form for the Parking Permit states that under the sections ‘Condition of use for you, the permit holder’ – 5/ Parking places – A permit does not enable you to park in permitted parking zones that display signs for a zone different to that indicated on the permit, or on a yellow line waiting restriction, and not in pay and display or metered bays. I can see permit holders being ticketed by traffic wardens who don’t know about the earlier not so formal form’s lettering and then residents having to fight the payments department over it.
The third question needing answered was the assumption and what was thought was agreed at the public residents summer meeting by the councillors that the Zone 1 initial payment would be only 50% whilst the scheme runs the first 6 months before the promised re-survey – the officlal form now says it will be only discounted 40% from £75 per car to £45.
The Final point is that the rush is on, all their forms state that they need 21 days to process the Resident & Visitor permits, and as the deadline day for when traffic wardens start to patrol (hopefully) and ticket is the 5th October. As of yesterday when we received our form that gives us, hm! no spare days and today -1 day to find all the many pieces of paperwork required and sent off to the council offices for process. Why the hurry all of a sudden, there hasn’t even been any notices about road line painting? Why can’t the council do this in a mannered and timely fashion? Put the start to November?
That was going to be the final point, but one last point to make is that I’d hoped the leaflet, map, wording and forms would all be online at Bromley Council’s website, but once again they are not. Perhaps they might do this or I’ll be looking for a working scanner once again to put the docs on here for all those in and those especially on the periphery of the scheme and outside to know what’s going on.
All those points we await answers and action on.
Moving on, whether we like it or not we have a CPZ, but we were all given categorical assurances that it would be resurveyed after 6 months. So when does it start? Well the leaflet and map state ‘The scheme will be implemented in late September 2009. Information leaflets and warning letters will be issued for the first two weeks of enforcement. Full enforcement of the restrictions will commence on 5th October 2009.
The CPZ will in nearly all cases be a continuous bay type up and down the road, so one is able to park across one's front drive if one wants, but if you do within the times of the zone operation you will need to display your permit. It does also mean that you are entitled to park across someone elses driveway entrance (but hey neighbours we wouldn’t do that now would we?) , but also if you block someone in, then the traffic warden can ticket that car. (Slight issue here or question. How will the traffic warden know which permitted car across someone's drive is owned by that house owner or perhaps his friendly neighbour or a complete rogue from 5 doors away? Another one for the clarification list perhaps).
So what are the lovely costs?
Zone 1 Normal Annual Cost £75 per vehicle, Discount Cost £45, Discount Ends 30th April 2010
Zone 2 & 3 Normal Annual Cost £35 per vehicle
Visitors Permits all zones £30 for book of 15 permits (4 books per house ONLY per year) Possible cost £120 for 60 tickets!
Parking Bay Charges All Zones £2.00* The pay and display cost is for the complete hours of operation of the bay for a day or any portion therof. Payment can also be made before 10.00am.
So if you don’t buy visitor permits then get to those parking bays quick! Wonder who will park their permitted car in there and then swap it for a friend's car when the friend needs it....?
Residents over 60 get a little break – they can get Free Visitors Vouchers but must send proof when applying which can include one of the following 1/ a copy of current Freedom Pass and photo card, 2/ a driving licence (paper or photo card) (I expect they mean copy of this and the rest), 3/ letter of pension entitlement, 4/birth certificate if it shows your current name, 5/ current passport, 6/ medical card
I’ll endeavour to scan and attach or if need be type out all the blurb asap. But, if you need a permit be quick, there are several payment options and they also take cheque or postal orders made out to ‘London Borough of Bromley’.
If you need any urgent forms, questions answered, advice then here are the contact details.
Parking Permit Team
London Borough of Bromley
PO Box 313
Bromley
BR1 3GL
Tel: (020) 8313 4762
Fax: (020) 8313 4707
http://www.bromley.gov.uk/parking
Off to give my drive up to a needy neighbour during the day and still unhappy at how this has been so mismanaged and bulldozed through by the Council. Let the new tax begin, like we could all do with another payment for something that was once free!
Do forward this page on to your neighbours, school parents and friends, and those outside the zones.
And for the latest info for those who Twitter do follow us on http://Twitter.com/Beckenham where we bring you all the latest local news and help, answer a myriad of questions, plus add some entertainment along the way.
Cheers
JC
First let's get the bugs out of the way - the councillors will be reading this, so hopefully they can take appropriate action and report back quickly with binding answers.
On the Implementation Form/Map it says that if the residents would like to read the report of the important Residents Meeting of the 14th July 2009 it is on their website at http://www.bromley.gov.uk/transportprojects - this link currently just points to an error page and therefore needs fixing.
The second bug/error that needs a clear answer is that the Implementation form says ‘ Pay and Display parking bays will operate between 10.00am and 12.00 Noon, Monday to Friday. If necessary these bays can also be used by residents/visitors displaying a valid permit.’ However, the accompanying Bromley Council official application form for the Parking Permit states that under the sections ‘Condition of use for you, the permit holder’ – 5/ Parking places – A permit does not enable you to park in permitted parking zones that display signs for a zone different to that indicated on the permit, or on a yellow line waiting restriction, and not in pay and display or metered bays. I can see permit holders being ticketed by traffic wardens who don’t know about the earlier not so formal form’s lettering and then residents having to fight the payments department over it.
The third question needing answered was the assumption and what was thought was agreed at the public residents summer meeting by the councillors that the Zone 1 initial payment would be only 50% whilst the scheme runs the first 6 months before the promised re-survey – the officlal form now says it will be only discounted 40% from £75 per car to £45.
The Final point is that the rush is on, all their forms state that they need 21 days to process the Resident & Visitor permits, and as the deadline day for when traffic wardens start to patrol (hopefully) and ticket is the 5th October. As of yesterday when we received our form that gives us, hm! no spare days and today -1 day to find all the many pieces of paperwork required and sent off to the council offices for process. Why the hurry all of a sudden, there hasn’t even been any notices about road line painting? Why can’t the council do this in a mannered and timely fashion? Put the start to November?
That was going to be the final point, but one last point to make is that I’d hoped the leaflet, map, wording and forms would all be online at Bromley Council’s website, but once again they are not. Perhaps they might do this or I’ll be looking for a working scanner once again to put the docs on here for all those in and those especially on the periphery of the scheme and outside to know what’s going on.
All those points we await answers and action on.
Moving on, whether we like it or not we have a CPZ, but we were all given categorical assurances that it would be resurveyed after 6 months. So when does it start? Well the leaflet and map state ‘The scheme will be implemented in late September 2009. Information leaflets and warning letters will be issued for the first two weeks of enforcement. Full enforcement of the restrictions will commence on 5th October 2009.
The CPZ will in nearly all cases be a continuous bay type up and down the road, so one is able to park across one's front drive if one wants, but if you do within the times of the zone operation you will need to display your permit. It does also mean that you are entitled to park across someone elses driveway entrance (but hey neighbours we wouldn’t do that now would we?) , but also if you block someone in, then the traffic warden can ticket that car. (Slight issue here or question. How will the traffic warden know which permitted car across someone's drive is owned by that house owner or perhaps his friendly neighbour or a complete rogue from 5 doors away? Another one for the clarification list perhaps).
So what are the lovely costs?
Zone 1 Normal Annual Cost £75 per vehicle, Discount Cost £45, Discount Ends 30th April 2010
Zone 2 & 3 Normal Annual Cost £35 per vehicle
Visitors Permits all zones £30 for book of 15 permits (4 books per house ONLY per year) Possible cost £120 for 60 tickets!
Parking Bay Charges All Zones £2.00* The pay and display cost is for the complete hours of operation of the bay for a day or any portion therof. Payment can also be made before 10.00am.
So if you don’t buy visitor permits then get to those parking bays quick! Wonder who will park their permitted car in there and then swap it for a friend's car when the friend needs it....?
Residents over 60 get a little break – they can get Free Visitors Vouchers but must send proof when applying which can include one of the following 1/ a copy of current Freedom Pass and photo card, 2/ a driving licence (paper or photo card) (I expect they mean copy of this and the rest), 3/ letter of pension entitlement, 4/birth certificate if it shows your current name, 5/ current passport, 6/ medical card
I’ll endeavour to scan and attach or if need be type out all the blurb asap. But, if you need a permit be quick, there are several payment options and they also take cheque or postal orders made out to ‘London Borough of Bromley’.
If you need any urgent forms, questions answered, advice then here are the contact details.
Parking Permit Team
London Borough of Bromley
PO Box 313
Bromley
BR1 3GL
Tel: (020) 8313 4762
Fax: (020) 8313 4707
http://www.bromley.gov.uk/parking
Off to give my drive up to a needy neighbour during the day and still unhappy at how this has been so mismanaged and bulldozed through by the Council. Let the new tax begin, like we could all do with another payment for something that was once free!
Do forward this page on to your neighbours, school parents and friends, and those outside the zones.
And for the latest info for those who Twitter do follow us on http://Twitter.com/Beckenham where we bring you all the latest local news and help, answer a myriad of questions, plus add some entertainment along the way.
Cheers
JC
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Jeffery on -
Reg, flattering of you to have quoted my apocalyptic vision but be careful with the position of that possessive apostrophe (I'm a Jeffery, not a Jefferys/Jeffreys)!
:)
Reg Adams said:But wouldn't this bring us closer to the materialisation of Jeff Jeffreys' apocalyptic vision (posted to this forum, 24 Nov 09): "Soon EVERYWHERE will be one big CPZ!"
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Permalink Reply by Reg Adams on -
Of apocalypses and apostrophes - sorry for not proofreading before posting, Jeff! Mighty relieved to hear that you are not of the Jefferys clan. And for the aberrant apostrophe and spurious spelling, Reg Adams' apologies are herewith honestly offered.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Miller on -
Shouldn't that be "... Adams's apologies ..."? I could, of course be completely wrong and will lie in the vast open plains of the Blandford Road CPZ that were once over-run with cars but a few months ago as penance
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Permalink Reply by BeckenhamTown.us on -
In reply to Reg about when the 6 month resurvey was to be done. It should be done at the end of the 6th month after payment was required, as was promised, and not an arbitary date to be had after that time because it suits the council best whenever. That would mean April 5th as payment was first required October 5th 2009.
May I remind the council and Cllr Colin Smith that his undertaking was made infront of two packed public meetings and that he has had 6 months to prepare for the re-survey.
Whether or not residents decide yay or nay, the promise was made. They are paying for a scheme which he is not and should no longer be required to do so after 6 months if the verbal contract is broken surely.
Again this has not been thought out and it shows the dilemna once again residents are placed in by wondering who is capable of looking after their best interests, or whether or not councillors really understand that their actions affect real people, some who the CPZ has affected both their daily lives and their monetary finances.
The public don't like broken promises. Councillors are just as electable as MPs and the public expect more than ever now good practice and culpability.
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Permalink Reply by John Royle on
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I may have missed something, but who exactly is (are) 'Beckenham Town Residents'? I would have thought that it is important for anyone posting a message on this site to be identified - especially those who wish to sternly wag their finger and lecture the council in such a pompous way, apparently on behalf of us other residents and the public in general.
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Permalink Reply by Anthony Phillips on
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Couldn't agree more, its like someone wants to cause issues where there are none. Is a delay of a couple of weeks an actual issue for anyone?
John Royle said:I may have missed something, but who exactly is (are) 'Beckenham Town Residents'? I would have thought that it is important for anyone posting a message on this site to be identified - especially those who wish to sternly wag their finger and lecture the council in such a pompous way, apparently on behalf of us other residents and the public in general.
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Permalink Reply by Reg Adams on
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Hi Paul,
No penance needed, so please don't lie down in the vast open plains of Blandford Road. You are absolutely right, as I discovered when I discovered the "grammar rule of the genitive case" on:
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/24367-apostrophe-afte...
1) If we have a plural form ending in -s, we add only the apostrophe, as in the following example: the boys' bikes
2) With proper names, only the apostrophe is used with classical names [Roman and Greek] and famous foreign names [not English] which refer to people who died a long time ago.
The Blakes' mansion – The Blakes is a plural noun [the members of the Blake family]
Mrs Woods's purse – Mrs Woods is an ordinary person
Cervantes' novels – Cervantes is a well-known foreign writer who died a long time ago
Pythagoras' Theorem – Pythagoras is considered to be a classical [man]
but
Dickens's prose style – Dickens is famous and died a long time ago but he was English.
Well, I'm English, not particularly famous and certainly not dead yet, so it should be Reg Adams's apologies – again! Thanks for picking up on this.
Thinking about those vast open plains, I recall that at the CPZ Public Meeting held at Churchfields School last July, questions were raised about: 1) Incidents of speeding along Blandford Road and 2) Road-rage incidents stemming from the fact that there wasn't enough room for two vehicles to pass one another, but neither driver would give way. Do you get the impression that there has been any change in the numbers of 1) and 2)?
Paul Miller said:Shouldn't that be "... Adams's apologies ..."? I could, of course be completely wrong and will lie in the vast open plains of the Blandford Road CPZ that were once over-run with cars but a few months ago as penance
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Permalink Reply by Paul Miller on
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Hi Reg,
1) Speeding:- probably got worse in my opinion. Less chance of hitting a parked car and more chance of braking into a gap
2) Road Rage:- I've only heard of one incident from before the CPZ went in so it is not really much of a real issue in my opinion. It was always going to regress towards the mean (which is pretty close to zero) even without the CPZ. I have not heard of any incidents since it went in, but I would not have expected to (because of the level of them not happening rather than me being ignorant of them)
Yours,
Paul
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